As best I can recall, there was one other major translation that translated “he” instead of “it”. The ESV could seriously challenge the NRSV as my main Bible if only it were available with these books (preferably in something like the HarperCollins Study Bible). Reply. I don’t think you can go wrong it. Thanks for your help Kevin. But I have not yet examined in any great detail either the World English Bible or Jay Green’s/Sovereign Grace’s Literal Version : both seem to merit examination. In a way I`m a little bit surprised this hasn`t already been done, seeing how J.I. I think I will… just need to select some appropriate verses and find a copy of the NJB to use. This may be a post-modern approach but I do respect each person’s preference. “Kevin, I think you’d like a comparison with the REB to the TNIV and HCSB.”. Isn’t there a difference between perfect (error-free) and deliberately distorted? If your fall on the TR side of the textual debate, then the NKJV is the “cheese”, if not the NASB has to be a strong favorite in my opinion. Version Information. If you are planning to do another series my vote would be: HCSB/TNIV/NET. It is excellent for careful exegetical bible studies. I found that T/NIV, HCSB, NASB also use “it.”. I try to promote it as much as possible because I love it so much. It seems to me that all the gender inclusive translations are a little inconsistent about things like this prophet/prophetess issue. I don’t remember all of the details, but the only discussion I’ve seen about it was at the Bible Design and Binding blog. New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) Pray then in this way: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. John 3:16 (NRSV) For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. The NLTse is a DE. This is beyond me, as Strong`s and the like do not define articles such as these, and I`m no Greek scholar. The REB is one I`ve had some interest in for a while. I think the English-Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament: ESV is great too. I would classify as a more formal translation, but due to it’s textual basis I can’t justify using it for study. I also think something important for a main translation is having study materials (i.e. The Greek, although a little difficult, is rather simple. The NASB. I am open minded to all opinions, but I would like scriptural support of version preference. I might add in a third but I’m not sure what that might be. It is definitely an improvement over the old RSV, particularly in its elimination of archaic English and its modest use of inclusive language. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! L.Wells, when you said: “I would like to pose a question to you of much more erudition than myself.” I didn’t think you were talking to me. “For the man who hates and divorces…(ESV 2001) now becomes “For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her…” (ESV 2007). I’ve been wondering why no one talks about that one. In my study, I’ve noticed that scholars on the NRSV seems to have done more work than the translators of the ESV. Does a translation have to get it all right for it to be considered trustworthy? I`ve come to love the NRSV more and more, but I use the ESV right beside it often times. Even though it is less wordy, it amazes me that it is also more readable than the NASB. It’s nothing fancy for the price but if you want to buy a cheap copy for comparisons that is all that I use mine for at the moment. They are both fairly similar to the KJV. Formal equivalence comparison #4: NASB vs ESV vs NRSV - Acts 2 March 30, 2008 The comparison between formal translations of the Tyndale tradition continues with Acts chapter 2. I also appreciate the comments about the NASB, even though somewhat more “wooden” in reading due to its literalness, still being readable. Bravo! (okay, now I’ll just lurk *blush*). It has served me well and I use it all the time. Did you know that a revision of the NASB is underway, and is planned for release in 2017? I would also suggest the NLTse as the third, as so many seem to be using it today. I found that the TNIV and NRSV did not use the word “prophetess” in the NT at all. And just what you think of these bibles. Literalness makes it less readable, but nevertheless, it is still readable to the average person. While there aren’t many options for genuine leather in regards to the NJB, you do have some more options with the NRSV. We not speaking of diakonos that refers to both males and females. In conservative-evangelical seminaries, the NASB is still highly regarded. What about the English Standard Version? I … I have an NRSV new Oxford annotated bible, but I found all the footnotes distracting during prayer time, so I picked up a Catholic RSV "Ignatius" Bible. Packer (an evangelical yes, but also an ordained Anglican) served as the general editor of the translation. However, I chose the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) over the ESV, because the HCSB uses more contemporary language than the ESV. I think the NKJV is probably one of the only translations I will never use, along with paraphrases. 5 When Jesus [] saw the crowds, he went up the mountain; and after he sat down, his disciples came to him. I use both. who is the best here? My primary text is the TNIV,and it too has it problems. I hear that the NASB will be updated soon. Oooooh! Kevin, that will be a good series. What I meant to say here was: “…is slightly LESS literal than the ESV.” I shall edit it. 1 Peter 3:7 – “live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker” (NASB) vs. “live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel” (ESV) Additions. I’m glad you still use the NKJV and NASB because they’re great reliable formal translations. You are right, there is not a big difference. If you want a fairly high degree of literalness but without the awkward choppiness of the NASB, and a conservative evangelical theological outlook, then the ESV is the best. When checking a versions accuracy, I compare them to an interlinear translation. The NRSV is also an updated version of the RSV. ( Log Out /  A. N., Son of EIN SOF. I like the translation overall, and it is my second choice behind the NRSV(perhaps because they are a nice balance when read side by side? If you feel it is warranted to give them merit, then be my guest. The NASB is an original translation from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts, based on the same principles of translation, and wording, as the American Standard Version (ASV) of 1901. All this being said, I think you got it right, in a nutshell Kevin. Very late comment on an excellent extended blog! In essence, I think the NASB vs ESV question will have resolved itself in favour of the ESV. this lamp has moved! dcsj on October 3, 2019 at 12:30 pm. One thing we MUST remember is that the textual footnotes of a translation are every bit as important as the words chosen by the translators to use in the actual text. I am in no way a person of erudition. NRSV New Revised Standard Version. I do consult with ESV more these days. Thank you. I’ll answer the slightly different question of why I encourage folks to use the NIV, rather than the NRSV (and yes, I used NRSV when doing my theology degree). I guess I have got more used to inclusive language now and it sounds ok most of the time. In my past, the two translations I usually consult the most are the NASB and NRSV but this should not be seen as a slight to the ESV. Very well done series. please go to http://thislamp.com search this lamp: It might even move it one notch higher in making it a more sought out bible for academic purposes and for reading purposes. The NRSV translators made choices to go with slightly different rendering from the traditional ones and that may be due to a more liberal Christian worldview or just a different way of handling the original text. Lastly, I would like to pose a question to you of much more erudition than myself. The NASB has a stellar reputation for very good reasons. I also feel the NRSV is a good overall translation, but it’s association with the National Council of Churches has kept some from examining it, as well as the extremes in terminology they have chosen to go gender-neutral. Thanks for the good work done here. NASB. The NASB brackets John 5:3b-4; the ESV footnotes those verses. The New American Standard Bible (NASB), first appearing as just the Gospel of John in 1960, followed by the New Testament in 1963 and the Old Testament in 1971, also claimed to be an authorized revision of the ASV, hence its name. The ESV seems to be the leanest in terms of wordiness—that is, it seems to use fewer words than the NASB and NRSV to say the same thing. Pardon the sidebar, just thought I`d share since you mentioned interlinears. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. The important thing is that you have a translation that you feel speaks to you. Maybe you can add the ISV http://www.isv.org to it since I have found that the ISV philosophy of translation is very similiar to the HCSB.Randy. the NASB and the NRSV together. I greatly appreciate your efforts. BTW, I posted a couple of comments under the God and gender post, let me know what you think. I predict that it will gain a greater respectability from mainline/secular academia than the NASB ever did. Shocking documentary: Origin of Wuhan coronavirus, The Makings of a Movie: FBI’s Framing of an Innocent Man, Psalm 23 The Lord is like a good shepherd, The FBI’s Flynn Outrage: a falsified crime, Canadian military helicopter crashed: Sadness ensues the military today, A reason behind Nova Scotia killer’s rampage, A prayer for Portapique NS: 18 victims in killing rampage, Search for a formal translation: NASB vs ESV vs NRSV -- a conclusion, Self-evident Inalienable Rights and Genesis 1:26, Transcript of Queen Elizabeth II's Coronavirus message to UK, We have depersonalized the person of Holy Spirit. How does it really stack up, aside from it`s great popularity? Already, the stocks of existing NASB’s are dwindling or exhausted. Your kingdom come. All three translations are very good but I do not want to minimize any of their strengths so I cannot prescribe a “best translation”. The TNIV is my primary text, but I think it’s off on this one. I use both. If I was stranded on a deserted island and could choose only one FE translation translation to read for the rest of my lonesome life, and without a chance for a DE to read, I think I might go with the ESV. The beautiful and majestic language of the KJV has had a huge influence on the English language and is very often thought of as the "real" translation, even by people who are not religous. I do remember though, that it is a pretty obscure verse to translate, and the ESV`s rendering is probably as valid as the traditional ones. I’ll have to check it out one day. I checked only 1-2 Timothy, I found where it does render “people” is: 1 Tim. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors And do not bring us to the time of trial, but rescue us from the evil one. I don’t have any experience with Word Study Greek-English New Testament by McReynolds but maybe someone else out there does. 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